Mozambique is steeped in its second armed conflict since the end of
the civil war 16 years. In the city, the dialogue between the Government of
FRELIMO and RENAMO has long been discontinued to make room for the noise of
weapons inside the country.Mozambicans go worn with the blood spilled and the
absence of a peace sign at the end of the tunnel. DW Africa interviewed
exclusively to the leader of RENAMO, Afonso Dhlakama, who gave his version of
the facts.
DW Africa: What is the concern of
RENAMO now?
Afonso Dhlakama (AD): The concern RENAMO is the concern of the
people, especially the people who have been voting in RENAMO and its leader. To
maintain democracy and to avoid the worst in Mozambique, because the people
promises that if RENAMO not do something, he, leaderless, can go outside,
prefer even from everything and to die, and this can be a mess to Mozambique,
the priority of RENAMO, and that is the people, is govern the six provinces
where we had the majority in the last elections. Although there has been fraud,
we resist too much, we were above all parties. Rule with democracy and not
divide the country, as FRELIMO claims or claim the independence of each
province, but there peacefully rule governing alternation at the local level.
This is the concern of RENAMO and my moment.
DW Africa: RENAMO had promised to
rule from March 1 the provinces where he says he won in 2015. Entrentanto
election that has not happened so far. Because?
AD: No, RENAMO said the day. He said that from the month of March
will start its governance. Today, Monday (03.14.), There are still sixteen days
to finish the month. Let's start this governance gradually, we will take
account of various districts in each province and establish standards, our
administrations. We said that from March we will catch the sticks and drive
FRELIMO, no. In fact, March is this month, I can assure you that no-hearing
before the 31st of this month RENAMO in the provinces where he obtained the
majority, has already taken many districts. It was what we promise and there is
nothing that is out of time.
DW Africa: In the current clashes,
most of the victims have been civilians, according to the press, contrary to
earlier confrontation in which most were army soldiers. This leaves many
disgruntled citizens, which to some extent makes RENAMO is not as well regarded
as the earlier conflict. RENAMO is aware that assessment?
AD: Absolutely not. Ma'am, I was born and raised in Mozambique,
Mozambican am and was in FRELIMO before fighting for democracy. The Mozambican
people know what is happening, even the Mozambican press knows what is
happening. Either frelimista can try to convey a negative image. I will tell
you: this conflict resumed a month ago, led by FRELIMO. Since January and
February, FRELIMO hired North Korean, trained death squads in Maputo, and this
group was spread through the provinces of central and northern. According to
FRELIMO, it was to prevent the governance of RENAMO. And these groups went
traction cars to the four wheels, which overnight kidnapped members of RENAMO
and even supporters. They did this in a district, and the next day, were the
bodies in the woods. And the European ambassadors and accredited Africans here
know this situation. So RENAMO Defense Department took action made ambushes
between the Save River section where come from the south to the center, made
another ambush between Save River and Muxungué and also put up between Chimoio
and Tete and between Gorongosa and Zambezi river in Caia, to intercept these
kidnappers groups. In fact, many were caught and the situation is already
better.
But this taking action, FRELIMO created military convoys, forcing
carriers to be escorted because the military FRELIMO could no longer go for
fear of being attacked, know the capacity of the forces of RENAMO. So the
forces of FRELIMO, to pretend, forced the trucks and southern carriers to carry
the soldiers. Now, this process of military FRELIMO entering the civilian cars,
so RENAMO shoots military cars. Trough that one dies and another, and FRELIMO
sends journalists say that RENAMO attacked civilians. You know very well.
RENAMO survives thanks to the support of the population. If RENAMO wanted to
kill civilians in their areas [it would have done], lives with civilians. I did
not have to go choose a road to attack civilian cars because they circulate the
districts. RENAMO closed the logistics of government forces, but FRELIMO to launch
propaganda, ashamed to be suffering low today can not say twenty, thirty or
forty (soldiers) young men or Rapid Intervention Forces die every day, and talk
of the population. There are people who are dying, but one or the other may be
a victim of shots from either side. The situation that can confirm in Tete
province is as follows: The clashes have caused much [of the population] in
Nkondedzi, Moatize district took refuge in Malawi. But it was also confirmed
that the population fled the atrocities of the government forces.
DW Africa: In this regard the
government says there is no war refugees are relatives and supporters of RENAMO
who are in Malawi ...
AD: Ma'am, it seems to me that international radio reported the
situation a few weeks ago. There is an agency of the United Nations credible,
UNHCR, who was in Malawi and saw Mozambican refugees there, including children,
and said with his mouth full fleeing the atrocities of the government forces,
because when the RENAMO forces clash with forces government, these lead fight
and avenge themselves. Burn the houses accusing the local population is
supporting RENAMO. Incidentally, this is the [FRELIMO] policy. Two years ago,
here in Satundjira in Maringué, people were left without homes. It is the same
as happened in Nkondedzi. The STV itself, which is the private agency here, was
in Malawi, where she interviewed people. He was in the abandoned areas and
confirmed [all]. To be true, it is propaganda Tete governor say they are not
refugees, but family RENAMO. It's nearly ten thousand. So to be so are all the
ten thousand family [members] RENAMO in such a small place? This advertising is
old and no longer adhesive. Are refugees, only FRELIMO not accept that Malawi
grant them refugee status, because it is a little shame. Malawi is a small
country, has no food to give and so is calling. And now the Deputy Minister of
Justice or the like, led to TVM, state television that advertises for FRELIMO,
led dinamizadores leaders of the city of Tete to the areas concerned and instructed
them in advance to say that the people fled the atrocities of the forces of
RENAMO. But this no longer takes anything because everyone knows why those
people fled.
But going back, there are many civilians who are dying. There were
three ambushes: in Zove area, the section between the Save River and Muxungué,
the second ambush in the area of Zonde, Catandica,
the section between Chimoio and Tete, and the last ambush was the section
between the town of Gorongosa and the bridge on the Zambezi river in Caia.
Therefore, in the aera of Nhamapanza and Nhamajaja.
DW Africa: these ambushes, at least
one of them died the driver of a carrier, was an ambush against a bus of
passengers ...
AD: I was passenger, my sister. This happened in Vonde. A week ago,
the machimbombo was the Naji company full of "fademos" Armed Forces
of Mozambique, which emerged from Chimoio to Tete. Radio Deutsche Welle can use
your sources, you'll have the evidence. I do not have to cheat and not to
advertise. Then the driver was hit, I know it was a Saturday at nine. There was
no member of the public, died thirty-nine "fademos". May die one and
another member of the public, we are not doing the holy war, you can catch one,
we have to say yes. Now say that RENAMO is attacking civilians not because it
would be a serious problem, RENAMO survives thanks to the support of the
population.
DW Africa: Also during the first
clashes, the matter RENAMO was managed by the Ministry of Defence, but at some
point went to the Interior Ministry. When there is fighting who answers is the
police. Do you think this is an attempt to minimize the status of RENAMO or
transform RENAMO into a kind of unruly or simply marginal?
AD:. There they entered elements RENAMO after the General Peace
Agreement, in Chissano time, he did not like, as well as all strategists
FRELIMO. They saw that the "fademos" (Armed Forces of Mozambique)
would not serve the interests of FRELIMO. She created [other] army as an
alternative, the Police Rapid Intervention, now FIR, Rapid Intervention Forces,
controlled by the Interior Ministry. This is a 100% Army [FRELIMO] because
there is no mixing with RENAMO. It is an army made up of former soldiers who
fought against RENAMO for 16 years, and the young people are incorporated in
the army they do not belong to any police. It is an own army because
"fademos" have a lot of mistrust.While our men are not generals, nor are considered FRELIMO
distrusts "fademos" because they did not accept this control, and
when they are deployed, run away, while the FIR is controlled by the Interior
Ministry and is not a police . This FIR is an army authentic, with more
conditions than the "fademos". They have tanks, heavy weapons, earn
well and have their own barracks. There is sometimes some generals
"fademos" to command the FIR. It's what's happening. Not to minimize
RENAMO or to despise and assign RENAMO a statute of bandits. No, on the
contrary. It is that FRELIMO suffered casualties and "fademos" are
the alternative to the FIR. But even so, the FIR is also suffer losses.
Currently, FRELIMO has not effective. He tried to launch offensives in
Zambezia, Nampula and here near the Gorongosa, but we put them all out of
action.